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| Posted by sf115 www6conf.org 1/11/2007 12:22:47 Play online chess |  Subject: AnalysisMessage: After 15.bxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17 Bxg7!!! Black has some choices 17...Kxg7 18. Qxf3 Nd2 19. Qe3 Nxf1 20. Kxf1 b6 21. Re1 Re8 22. a4 is about even OR 17...Kxg7 18.gxf3 Nf6 which is very unclear but I think it's about even OR 17...Be2 18. Rfe1 Bd3 19 Red1 Bc2 20. Re1 Bd3 21. Rcd1 Bc2 22. Rc1 draw Can anyone add to this analysis? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org 1/11/2007 13:04:36 Play online chess | 17...Be2 doesn't look very eligible... Message: After 17.Bxg7 Be2 18.Bxf8 seems to be indicated, and White comes out a whole rook ahead: 18...Bxf1 19.Kxf1 (or 19.Qxe4); or 18...Qxf8 19.Qxe4 Bxf1 20.Kxf1... Though much less decisive for White is this intriguing possibility: 17.Bxg7 Be2 18.Bxf8 Bxf1 19.Qh6 (?) Qxf8 (forced) 20.Qxf8+ Kxf8 21.Kxf1... leaving White with a margin of R vs N+P. Probably White ought to win this, but Black's still in the game. I think your assessments after 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 are about right. After 18.Qxf3 White has to give up the exchange and go into a major piece ending a pawn down. He's going to have to fight for the draw, though. I'd avoid it. 18.gxf3 keeps the exchange (for the pawn minus), but White's pawns are wrecked (4 pawn islands to 2). All the same, this is the line I'd choose for White. Although it looks fairly even, there's plenty of play in the position for both sides. As for 17.Bxg7, I can't see any real improvement for White. At best 17.gxf3 leads to a position similar to 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.gxf3 line. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org 1/11/2007 13:41:41 Play online chess | Message: Hmm, ok, two minor analytical notes. In the actual game, maybe 16...Nxc3 (I haven't played it out so I may be miscounting what pieces come off the board). Also, why not 17 or 18. Rxf3? ——— World Chess Cup Offers an Opening for Players With Ambitions — The top 30 chess players in the world can earn good livings. But it is considerably more difficult for the players ranked just below them. Their appearance fees are lower, and they rarely are invited to the chess tournaments that offer the best prize money. For these players, the World Chess Cup now being held in Khanty Mansiysk, Russia, is a great opportunity. With a field of 128 and prize money totaling $1.6 million — with $120,000 going to the winner — the tournament is giving some second-tier players a chance to compete against the chess elite, and perhaps to join them. The winner also will be seeded into the candidates’ matches for the world chess ... Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/11/2007 13:57:59 Play online chess Message: ionadowman, and anyone else, in the game I played 15. Rxc3 instead of 15. bxc3 was this correct? the game continued: 15. Rxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17. Bxg7 Kxg7 18. Qxf3 Nxc3 19. Qxc3+ f6 20. Qe3 b6 21. Qe6 f5 22. Re1 Draw agreed (white asked) ——— Chess notes — The chess news from Moscow simply inundated the world this month; first as former world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik of Russia demonstrated that he is still a strong contender for that title. He won the Tal Memorial, held in Moscow in early November in a star-studded field of 10 of the world’s highest rated chess grandmasters. Since Kramnik lost his unified world title in 2007 to Viswanathan Anand, there have been questions about what the future held for him but he has certainly reasserted himself this year. Besides capturing the Tal Memorial, he also buttoned up his ninth title in the Dortmund, Germany, chess tournament. 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Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/12/2007 00:45:33 Play online chess I agree with ganstaman's suggestions...Message: Personally, I would have recaptured with the pawn at move 15, the line sf115 made enquiries about in the first instance. After 15.Rxc3?! Nxe4, things look rather rocky: 16.Qf4 Nxc3 threatens ...Ne2+, which just about forces White's response. 17.bxc3 Bxh6 with a sizable edge for Black however White chooses to retake: a pawn extra, and I think the bishop will have the ascendancy over the knight in this sort of position (though indeed I would exchange of f3 if White chose to take the h6-bishop). Later on in the game, it seems likely that 17.Rxf3 would have been a good choice, instead of 17.Bxg7!? But let's look at the game line first. Can Black improve on the immediate recapture on g7? What about 17.Bxg7 Nxc3!? That nasty fork is again threatened on e2, which rules out 18.Bxf8. So, try 18.Bxc3, now Black can't afford 18...Bxd5 on account of 19.Qd4! So 18...Be2 is indicated. 19.Qd4!? f6 20.Re1 Ba6. Black has to avoid ...Bh5 in these lines owing to the response g2-g4. White can restore the material deficit, but in any case looks comfortable enough, with "opposite coloured" bishops to widen the margin of draw. So there's nothing wrong, seemingly, with exchanging at once on g7. Now let's look at the alternative, 17.Rc3xf3. White keeps his exchange, and Black has no fork available on d2, not even after exchanging bishops on h6. Now we see why 17.Rxf3 is an improvement on 17.Bxg7. It also suggests why, after the exchanges on g7 in the game continuation, 18.Rxf3 wasn't a bad idea either. Having said that, Black seems to me to retain very good chances of holding the game even after 17.Rxf3 or 17.Bxg7 Bxg7?! 18.Rxf3. Black's position would have been nice and solid, with an extra pawn and an active minor piece for the exchange. He could, in the latter line, play 18.f4 to maintain the knight in its commanding post and making it a little harder for White to undertake operations down the e- and c-files. The final draw offer was reasonable. Though Black could safely have played on to see if he couldn't extract some advantage from his extra pawn, there is no reason to criticise his acceptance, either. That's as I see it so far. Maybe there are resources that I've overlooked that others might find... Cheers, ion ——— Magnus Carlsen's star continues to rise in Norway — Magnus Carlsen's World Blitz victory in Moscow has made the 19-year-old the darling of the Norwegian media. Carlsen scored 31/42 in the double-round event against the chess elite, with a rating performance close to 2900. He finished three points clear of world chess champion Vishy Anand, and six ahead of Sergey Karjakin in third. Despite this impressive performance, it was one of Carlsen's few defeats which really put him on the front pages and raised his fame quotient in Oslo to a par with Bobby Fischer. In an early round he lost to the world woman champion Alexandra Kosteniuk after blundering a rook, briefly attempting to substitute another move, and resigning ... Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/12/2007 12:41:54 Play online chess Message: ——— So tackles Kamsky after booting out Ivanchuk — Filipino chess Grandmaster Wesley So claimed the biggest scalp of his young chess career Wednesday night, sealing a 1.5-.5 victory over super GM Vassily Ivanchuk of Ukraine to barge into the third round of the 2009 World Chess Cup at the Khanty-Mansiysk Center of Arts. Continuing his strong showing against higher-rated chess players, the 16-year-old So held Ivanchuk to a fighting draw in the second game of their second round encounter to forge a showdown with defending chess champion GM Gata Kamsky of the United States. So stunned the sixth-seeded Ivanchuk (Elo 2739) with the black pieces in Game 1 Tuesday night. His confidence boosted, So then ... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/13/2007 12:25:08 Play online chess None that give anything decisive either way, no..Message: (The line I'm following is this one: 15.bxc3 Nxe4 16.Qf4 (Something like 16.Qd3 doesn't seem to change much) 16...Bxf3 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.gxf3 Nf6 or 18...Nc5.) But is 15.Rxc3 a bad move? Maybe not. I wouldn't have played it, and I think it leads to a Black advantage after 15...Nxe4 (an extra pawn) but the activity of White's position after 16.Qf4 Nxc3 17.bxc3 Bxh6 18.Qxg4 might be enough for the pawn... Cheers, Ion Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/13/2007 14:07:31 Play online chess Message: Posted by wote | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 11:49:48 Play online chess Message: 15. bxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17. Bxg7 Be2 18. Rf-e1 Bd3 19. Re-d1 Bc2 20. Rxc2 Better may have been 1. e4 c5 2. c3 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 d6 6. Be3 Nc6 7. Nc3 Nf6 8. Bb5 Bd7 9. O-O O-O 10. Bxc6 Bxc6 11. d5 Bd7 12. Qd2 Rc8 13. Ra-c1 Bg4 14. Bh6 Rxc3 15. Rxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17. Rxf3 and if 17. Rxf3 Bxh6 18. Qxh6 f5 19. Re3 White still has a better game Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 14:03:58 Play online chess Welll...Message: But even in the continuation 16...Bxf3?! 17.Rxf3 Bxh6 18.Qxh6 f5!? 19.Re3 ... has White really the better game? An immediate 19...Nf6 looks as though it might cause White some headaches: 20.Rd1? Ng4 (-+), or 20.Rd3 Qa5, say, or 20.Rh3 Qa5 ... Hard to evaluate. If Black can pick up a pawn for nothing hereabouts (the d-pawn of one of the Q-side pawns) then I'd fancy Black's chances. If not, then White maybe has the edge - a very slight edge. wote, you might not have noticed, in the 15.bxc3 line (15. bxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17. Bxg7 Be2) that White can play 18.Bxf8 (instead of 18.Rfe1), and come away a whole rook ahead: 18.Bxf8 Bxf1 19.Kxf1 etc Cheers, Ion Posted by wote | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 19:24:56 Play online chess Message: 15. bxc3 Bxh6 16. Qxh6 Bxf3 17. gxf3 white is still up. But yes black can still win or darw. the pawns become a problem for white yet the half open G file is a gateway to mate. but black has defences. 17. gxf3 Nh5 18. Kh1 f6 19. Rg1 Ng7 if after witch balck and play 20. h4(or any) Qa5 21. Rc2 Rc8 bringing the battle to the queen side. As long as black can keep pawns on the board the Kninght is useful.... h4 Qa5 21. Rc2 Rc8 22. Qe3 b6 23. Rg-c1 Qb5 24. c4 Qd7 25. f4 Just another vertion after 15. Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 21:08:43 Play online chess An interesting line...Message: Cheers, Ion Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/21/2007 06:51:01 Play online chess Message: 15. bxc3 Bxh6 16. Qxh6 Bxf3 17. gxf3 I favour white but I agree with wote that after 15. Rxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3 17. Rxf3 Bxh6 18. Qxh6 f5 white is winning but I would add that instead of 19. Re3 19. Rh3!!! Nf6 20. Re1 Qa5 21. Rxe7 winning for white Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/21/2007 06:53:26 Play online chess Message: Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/21/2007 11:17:03 Play online chess All of which...Message: But in the line under discussion: 15. Rxc3 Nxe4 16. Qf4 Bxf3? 17. Rxf3 Bxh6 18. Qxh6 f5 <snip> 19. Rh3!!! Nf6 20. Re1 Qa5 21. Rxe7 ... 19...Rf7 ought to be preferred, retaining the knight on its central square. White can't chase it away yet: 20.f3? Qb6+ recovers the exchange, whence Black ought to win. In fact, f3 doesn't look easy for White to arrange in a hurry, which means it won't be easy for White to shift that knight. I presume that by "a pawn up" sf115 means the "equivalent of a pawn up" i.e. R vs N+P. I agree that White retains this material edge for the moment (i.e. after 19...Rf7), but it seems to me Black has at least some compensation for this slight material deficit. A difficult game ahead for both sides, methinks! Posted by sf115 | www6conf.org 1/21/2007 12:21:20 Play online chess Message: |