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| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 1/18/2007 08:38:00 Play online chess |  Subject: Philidor's defenceMessage: Finally, i stood at Philidor's defence, as pretender to try. -- Now it's a question about your opinion about it.... And... it's interesting, how many would like to try it at thematic mini-tournament? Not for actual play in it but to have a readiness (a will)?... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Posted by far1ey www6conf.org 1/18/2007 16:02:52 Play online chess | Message: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O h6 7. Be3 c6 8. a4 Qc7 9. Qd2 Nf8 10. a5 g5!? Interesting. 11. dxe5 dxe5 12. Rfd1 Be6 13. Bf1 Ng4 14. Bb6!? Probably not the best move (according to the computers) by me but my point is that the Philidor can be rather interesting. Now its rather unclear for both sides to see whos better. 14... axb6 15. axb6 Qc8 16. Rxa8 Qxa8 17. Nb5 cxb5 18. Bxb5+ Nd7 19. Bxd7+ Kf8 20. Bxe6 fxe6 21. h3 Nf6 22. Nxe5 Kg7 23. Nd7 Rd8 24. Qc3 Qa4 25. Rd4 Qc6 26. Qxc6 bxc6 27. Nc5 Rb8 28. Na4 c5 29. Rc4 Nd7 30. b4 Nxb6 31. Nxb6 Rxb6 32. bxc5 Rc6 33. Kf1 Rxc5 34. Rxc5 Bxc5 35. Ke2 Kf6 36. f3 Ke5 37. g3 h5 38. c3 h4 39. gxh4 gxh4 40. Kd3 Kf4 41. Ke2 0-1 In the end I got rather whipped, in the last 15 moves ganstaman correctly exploited his 'advantage' of a piece for 3 pawns as the pawns. Nice play ganstaman. Far1ey ——— New York State's Chess Champion? He's 14 — Many states hold their chess championships over Labor Day weekend, among them New York State. Its championship is said to be the oldest chess tournament in the country. This year was the 132nd edition and it ended Monday. Many top chess players have been New York State chess champion, including Jose Raul Capabalanca (in 1910, before he became world champion), Reuben Fine (1941), William Lombardy (1954), Pal Benko (1961 and 1962), Robert Byrne (1987), Hikaru Nakamura (2004 and 2007), Gata Kamsky (2005), and Joel Benjamin (nine times between 1985 and 2002). In this year’s championship, Benjamin again finished atop the field, tying for first with Marc Esserman ... Posted by spijker | www6conf.org 1/18/2007 16:34:19 Play online chess Message: In The Netherlands it is sometimes called "De Leeuw" which is "The Lion" in English. Take a look at -> www.thelion.nl ——— Shirov Wins Shanghai Masters — Alexei Shirov of Spain has won the Shanghai Masters chess tournament, with a round to spare. Tuesday, he beat Wang Hao of China, clinching first place. It was Shirov’s third consecutive win. Under the scoring system used in Shanghai (3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw), Shirov has 11 points (three wins and two draws). Levon Aronian of Armenia and Vladimir Kramnik of Russia are tied for second with 6 points each (one win, one loss and three draws), while Wang has 2 points (three losses and two draws). The top two scorers advance to the Bilbao Final Masters next month in Spain, which means that the final-round games on Wednesday will be pivotal. Aronian will be Black against ... Posted by ganstaman | www6conf.org 1/18/2007 17:02:00 Play online chess Message: As for the game far1ey posted, there are a few points where things could have gone differently. 1) I could (should?) have played ...a5 at some point (probably 8. a4 a5). 2) 6...0-0 (or even something like 9...0-0) is much safer. White will have all the fun, but it's hard to find a place for him to break in. For those who want to avoid this dullness, like kansaspatzer, the whole ...h6, ...g5, and ...Nb8-d7-f8-{g,e}6-f5 plan is a lot more fun. Maybe a dubious attack, but looks playable. I used to have a link to a site that had a lot of games demonstrating this, but I've lost my bookmarks and would have to look again. 3) 13...Ng6 should have been the only move I considered. 13...Ng4 14. Bb6 lets white take advantage of all black's weak points. Sound or not, it was a bit scary (good move, far1ey). 4) Interesting(?) would have been 25...Qxd4 26. Qxd4 Rxd7. Who can evaluate this material imbalance? 5) I remember thinking that 28. Nxe6+ would have been better for white, but without a board in front of me now I can't be fully sure. So you can play it dull, and then white can't really stop you. Or you can try to imbalance the position with 3...f5 or the kingside attack I tried but never got off. My opinion of it changes too often, but for now at least I wouldn't reccomend it except for an occasional game. ——— A New Theory on the Origin of the Lewis Chessmen — The Lewis Chessmen are the most famous and important chess pieces in history. They have a long historical and scholarly record, part of which is that they were made in Norway roughly 800 years ago. But now two Icelandic men are challenging that belief and trying to prove that the chess pieces came from their country. The pieces were discovered on the Isle of Lewis, in the Outer Hebrides, Scotland, in 1831 — hence their name. Carved mostly out of walrus tusk, they were found in a small carrying-case made of stone inside a sand dune. There are different theories about how they ended up there, including that they were left over from a shipwreck or that they were stolen and buried on the island and ... Posted by ganstaman | www6conf.org 1/18/2007 17:03:30 Play online chess Message: ——— Rapid Games Win Over New Fans — Many people who would like to see chess attract more fans agree that traditional games — which usually last several hours — are too slow for all but the die-hard. At the same time, blitz chess — where players have only five minutes for all their moves — are fun to watch and attract crowds on street corners, but they are riddled with errors. Rapid games, where each player starts with 20 or 25 minutes and then has additional time — often 10 seconds — added after each move, seem to be a happy medium. The format is becoming more popular, and there are now many chess tournaments that feature it. Two elite chess events last week used rapid-game time controls. One was the annual ... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 14:52:15 Play online chess Great game ...Message: I think Far1ey might have had better chances to save the game if he could have avoided exchanging his last pieces, which suggests that 30.Rc3 might have been an improvement over 30.b4?, and later, it might have been better to have given up both c-pawns rather than allow the rooks to come off. It seems to me the boldness of his play (14.Bb6!?! and 27.Nc5!) deserved a better fate! (I thought 27.b7 might have had a better result, but no: 27.b7?? Nxd7! 28.Rxd7 Rxd7 29.b8=Q Rd1+ 30.Kh2 Bd6+ (-+) ). I'll bet you both enjoyed that game! Is a Philidor defence MT suggested by loreta a happening thing? Cheers, Ion ——— Aronian Leads Shanghai Masters — In 2008, the Grand Slam Chess Final Masters was created to bring together the winners of the top chess tournaments of the year. Last year, the final was reduced to four competitors from six because of the economic downturn, but it still included the winners of the year’s elite chess events. This year the formula was changed. While the grand slam still includes top chess players, their selection is more arbitrary. And there are two events: A final that will be, as in the first two years, in Bilbao, Spain (and to which Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, and Magnus Carlsen of Norway, the world’s top-ranked chess player, are already invited), and a preliminary tournament in Shanghai, China, to ... Posted by ganstaman | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 15:42:43 Play online chess ionadowmanMessage: Also, that whole sequence of ...Rd1+ Kh2 ...Bd6+ was certainly a savior to me. I saw it coming up in several sequences that didn't get played. I kept wanting to find a way to reverse my moves (as that would be mate) but of course far1ey would never walk into something like that. And yes, far1ey should certainly be proud of those moves. Even if things didn't quite work out in the end, they really looked nice and are good. Posted by sough | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 17:43:13 Play online chess Message: Posted by bucklehead | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 19:43:50 Play online chess Why go passive?Message: (On a random note, while doing an internet search I noticed that I mentioned this gambit in the GK forums almost three years ago...yikes...I probably should have accomplished more in that time!) Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 1/20/2007 23:54:03 Play online chess To ionadowmanMessage: - Not at the moment... It is about to happen in the future (after I'll finish current MT for Caro-Kann)... Now I'm just interested how any could be interested in it... Not necessary to play in it actually, but to have it in their mind... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/21/2007 11:38:36 Play online chess Loreta -Message: Cheers, Ion Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 1/22/2007 11:53:41 Play online chess I like the Philidor's .. Message: Funny how fashion changes. I met a Philidors in the Mutual of Omaha vs Bell Telephone Corporate Match in the 80's here the Omaha metro. And it was the line that goes 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Nf6 , which was the hot thing of the time ("hot" in terms of Philidor play that is :) . Last time I looked it was the 3....exd4 line being recommended tho. Of course, I play the unfavored Hannam (hanham?!) that is with 3...Ngd7. And there is good reason for being unfavored, with some traps BLACK must avoid, and the WT tactical tricks using g5, f7 and or e6 squares in various ways. So I've started playing it "backwards" in blitz, with e5 delayed until WT uses a tempo to play a move that is not in the critical lines, allowing ...c6 to be played, which pretty much cans all the little tricks wt has. Like the Q-trap etc. And the thing usualy plays out similar to a pretty good Old Indian imo. I don't think WT gets much with 3.Bc4 or the Petroff like transpositions that may arise there. (oh mygosh, did I really Say that?! Well its not Quite the Petroff ... so guess thats why I can play it and not the real thing...) YES, I "have a will" to play it in an M/T ... but as a practical matter, I dont think that is going to happen for me. But would be fun to watch. }8-) Posted by sough | www6conf.org 1/22/2007 16:09:11 Play online chess Message: Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/03/2007 01:09:12 Play online chess ... f5 lineMessage: Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 2/03/2007 01:10:04 Play online chess loreta ... Message: Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 2/03/2007 02:48:56 Play online chess The 3...f4 line...Message: Cheers, ion Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 2/03/2007 03:23:32 Play online chess ionadowman ... Message: Perhaps I just have weird sensibilities tho, too ... I guess if Morphy played it, and Fischer says Morphy is the "Most accurate Chessplayer ever", and Fischer has always seemed right about generalities (despite an analytical error, maybe two, i forget, in 60 Memorable) ... therefore It Must be Good! At least I've always had real good results taking Fischer at his word, I must say. Perhaps I'll get time to d-base some of those. Hope so, but I never know anymore. Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 2/03/2007 11:51:29 Play online chess ccmcacollister...Message: I think it is fair to say that the ...f4 line in the Philidor's has been discredited, but in my view that isn't quite the same thing as refuted. The latter suggests to me that the line leads pretty much to a forced loss. Having said that, I am aware that you know a hell of a lot more about openings than I do (and you obviously have more experience of the Philidor's than I do!), so your opinion is pretty persuasive! Cheers, Ion Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 07:18:39 Play online chess ionadowman ... Message: ##################################### To Whom It May Concern: AN ONGOING GAME ... SO NO COMMENTARY, Please . . . For that would be breaking GK rules~! I thought some of you might like to watch it unfold, being a high-level game. But I'll only mention it and not hyperlink it, since that is the case. The game number is 4639598 Variation 3.d4 exd4 Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 08:19:11 Play online chess Urrrgh... :-)Message: - Next, I looked into GK database - and what I saw after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 2. ... d6 is second to be used (after 2. ... Nc6) - And more, 3. d4 f5 gives only 60% wins for WT - not so crushing - and 35% wins for Black... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 11:18:39 Play online chess Couldn't find your game, Craig...Message: loreta quotes some intersting stats. Maybe 3...f4 has retained some vitality? Cheers, Ion Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 11:53:03 Play online chess ionadowmanMessage: Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 12:05:08 Play online chess More statsMessage: - And then, near 62% wins for WT, and more than 26% wins for Black. (That's worse for Black than Latvian: 51% and 40%, but by victories near to Sicilian with 29% of wins for Black - after main 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3) Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/09/2007 12:07:16 Play online chess Sorry, Message: Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/18/2007 04:22:39 Play online chess Is it?Message: Posted by cairo | www6conf.org 2/18/2007 10:45:08 Play online chess Check Message: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Bf4 O-O 7. Qd2 c6 8. O-O-O b5 9. f3 b4 10. Nc-e2 c5 11. Nb3 c4 12. Nb-d4 d5 13. Bxb8 Rxb8 14. e5 c3 15. Qe1 Qb6 16. exf6 Bxf6 17. g4 g6 18. Kb1 Re8 19. Qg3 a5 20. Nb5 Ba6 21. Nf4 Be5 ½-½ Game ended with a draw and the board number is: board #6501842 Best wishes Cairo Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 2/19/2007 08:28:03 Play online chess SharpnessMessage: Posted by john_wr | www6conf.org 2/21/2007 05:56:57 Play online chess f5 is okay?? Message: times over the years I have been playing. Iy wass recommended by British GM Jonathan Mestel in one of my old books.. I have also played the line used by Morphy.. 1. e4 e5, 2. Nf3 d6, 3. d4 f5, 4. dxe5 fxe4, 5. Ng5 d5, 6. e6 c5, 7. Nf7 Qf6, 8. Be3 d4.. wild but very interesting. I ended up agreeing a draw against a top county player after reaching a winning position but with very little time left.. My point is that there seems to be a reasonable reply for Black against almost any White move.. exf5 is met with e4, dxe5 is met with fxe4. Nc3 can be met with fxe4 followed by d5 (although this can be risky as Nxe6 may be possible for White). maybe I am missing something. Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 3/02/2007 07:51:55 Play online chess Or maybe Alekhin, 1. e4 Nf6Message: Posted by gunnarsamuelsson | www6conf.org 3/02/2007 14:32:19 Play online chess Well it depends.Message: U choose the Alekhine if u want this to happen, a big white pawncenter, and u must have studied this and feel comfortable with the positions. If black doesnt go for it your perfectly fine since nf6 still is a good natural move. The Philidor is an opening that is more flexible but more defensive, u avoid letting white choose what position hed prefer but on the other hand u give him more space and options. There r many ways in which white can get an advantage, but I can't see why it should be a boring opening, quite the opposite since ull never know the forthcoming positions. Posted by gunnarsamuelsson | www6conf.org 3/02/2007 14:46:14 Play online chess About the F5 move.Message: I think it's one of those openings black choose cause he thinks white read about why old Morphy openings wasnt good 20 years ago, and has forgotten all about it. And if that is true all Morphymoves has something that speakes for them. Posted by loreta | www6conf.org 4/24/2007 22:31:38 Play online chess BooksMessage: Posted by kewms | www6conf.org 4/25/2007 08:11:15 Play online chess Message: Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 4/25/2007 12:46:31 Play online chess loreta ... Message: My question is: what are we to think of a guy who says "Pawns are the heart and soul of Chess" ... then moves Two of them ??! *** My books say the opening is cramped but playable in general. Barely so the Hannam, which I like. Despite my best efforts; The Secret there is coming to light recently tho, saying that you must play a Backdoor Hannam, rather like an Old Indian, making ...d6 and ...Nd7 first and delaying ...e5 till it can't be stopped anyway :) Then expand-o-matic on the Queen side. Has been a good formula in otb, tho havent tried it in corr. But have seen it called An Advantageous Philidor position, from this approach~! Who ever thought they would see those words in the same sentence?! }8-) [But that's why Chess is fun] Of course there are often options to transpose to a Pirc there. Or a Hippo~!? Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 4/25/2007 12:48:45 Play online chess oops ... Message: A fine fellow ... |