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| Posted by ccmcacollister www6conf.org 1/27/2007 10:17:48 Play online chess |  Subject: What standard for Corr. Chess in general?Message: Again, as far as I am concerned GK's stance is clear on the matter of that thread. What I am interested in knowing is about the rest of the world of corr. type chess, whether online or postal ... Does it aor should it demonstrate a standard that anything "published" would be fair use for playing it? And the real matter that concerns me in that thought is: What is "PUBLISHED"? How is that term to be defined, or how IS it defined elsewhere. Or is there a different standard used elsewhere, or Any standard for that matter. Should there be? Where is Corr Chess headed in general? Especially with computer considerations ever-present these days ... Should everyone give in to the advent of the "Box" and say, 'okay we cant avoid them, let computers in' like ICCF did?! And some other sites do. For eg our match counterparts FICGS (although they have agreed not to use them, for the match) allow their use upon that site. OR should there simply be a widespread assortment of sites of varied rules, as now, and everyone can find a place that suits them? Where is it all headed? | ||||||||||
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| Posted by djole73 www6conf.org 1/27/2007 10:50:29 Play online chess | What's the sense? Message: ——— Magnus Carlsen Survives on His Wits — One of the reasons that Garry Kasparov was the world’s dominant chess player from the late 1980s through the ’90s was that he was better prepared than his competitors. He spent an enormous amount of time researching chess openings for new ideas to spring on his opponents, or he paid others to do it for him. Magnus Carlsen, currently the world’s top-ranked chess player, is beginning to be as dominant as Kasparov was, but it is not because of his preparation. He has described himself as a bit lazy, and so rather than play the most popular chess openings, which everyone has studied, he often chooses systems, particularly as White, that do not yield any advantage. Carlsen wants to ... Posted by rallyvincent | www6conf.org 1/27/2007 12:43:48 Play online chess Oh noes...Message: Craig, "we can't avoid them" cannot be reason enough to allow them. And it could be avoided, if everybody would not use them. Naive, I know, but as long as the use of engines remains forbidden, an great majority will stick to it. By that, your chances to get a real game is good enough to look over some few cheaters. If you'll allow it, people either will have to use them, too, to get fair competition, or else will leave. I know I wouldn't play on a site that allows it. One more thought on this subject: many players won't use engines even if allowed because they are not interested in ratings or winning percentage that do not display their own achievement. Do not underestimate the power of sportsmanship. Players that are interested in the sports itself won't play chess for ratings, but for the pleasure that the game itself provides. I dare say that many cheaters do not enjoy their cheap earned points, knowing how they did it. They'll still feel inferior, and it serves them right. On the subject of what is "published": "Published" would have to be equalized with "equally accessable to everyone on the particular site". IMO, a book being published somewhere in the world will never fulfill that, so it would have to be a resource that is availabe -everytime to every member -without charge (or else, bigger wallets will win some games instead of better players) Without these two conditions, I do not think that you could allow free use of that source. That leaves us with a downloadable script, preferably provided by that site. But still... it's fishy. Rally V. P.S. Quick check - can you name three great COMPUTER World Championships Competitions like Capablanca-Aljechin, Karpov-Kasparov, Spasski-Fischer without peeking? See - chess between two machines is the definition for boredom... ——— Impressive Field at World Open — The World Open, the annual chess tournament in Philadelphia that always takes place around July 4th, often lives up to its name by attracting a world-class contingent of chess players. This year is no different as the field includes Francisco Vallejo Pons of Spain, Surya Shekhar Ganguly of India, Loek Van Wely of the Netherlands, Luke McShane of England, Evgeny Najer of Russia, Viktor Laznicka of the Czech Republic and Ilya Smirin of Israel. It also includes many of the best Americans, among them Gata Kamsky, the United States chess champion, and Alexander Onischuk. The players come because the tournament offers one of the biggest prize funds in the world. This year’s is ... Posted by ganstaman | www6conf.org 1/27/2007 14:49:46 Play online chess djole73Message: ——— Magnus Carlsen closes in on Garry Kasparov's record chess rating — Magnus Carlsen is closing in fast on Garry Kasparov's all-time record chess rating. The 19-year-old Norwegian scored an unbeaten 7.5/10 at Medias, Romania to take his score on the daily calculations up to 2826, just 25 points shy of the great Russian's peak mark. And Carlsen did it while still not in optimum form. He began with two draws, then took risks including a 1 e4 e5 2 f4 King's Gambit and a couple of dubious positions, but his inventiveness and will to win coupled with the growing Carlsen-fear of those on the other side of the chess board ensured another impressive outcome. Technically his most interesting game, certainly from the practical viewpoint of competition ... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/27/2007 16:34:39 Play online chess We might have to come to a different...Message: In some positions, books can prescribe moves. In a simple K+P vs K endgame w a primer in my possession prescribes 1.Ke6 as the (only) move that wins. Of course, this knowledge is now second nature to a lot of us, but we had to learn it. For, say, a beginner without possession of this knowledge, is use of the book legitimate? I think yes, and I'm sure gameknot (GK) would agree. GK rules, and CC rules in general don't exclude this kind of material. GK excludes TableBases specifically and explicitly. I don't think it could be done any other way. Material or resources considered illegitimate for the purposes of play on GK might have to be listed, rather than some attempt be made of a general definition or description. Engines and TableBases. Anything else? ——— A Race for Second at the Grand Prix — With four rounds left in the Fourth Women’s Chess Grand Prix in Jermuk, Russia, time is rapidly running out for anyone to try to overtake Nana Dzagnidze of the Republic of Georgia for first place. She leads by 1.5 points over Lilit Mkrtchian of Armenia and Tatiana Kosintseva of Russia. She still has to play Mkrtchian and Hou Yifan of China, the chess tournament’s top seed, who is currently in fourth, so there is still a chance she might be caught. But her form so far has been superb as she has only yielded one draw in seven rounds. So the rest of the tournament may be a race for second. The Grand Prix is a series of six tournaments organized by the World Chess Federation. The winner will ... Posted by ionadowman | www6conf.org 1/27/2007 16:36:04 Play online chess How do you police this rule?Message: :-( ——— A White Day at the Women’s Chess Grand Prix — Everyone knows that playing White is an advantage in chess (though curiously it was not during the last round of the King’s Tournament in Romania that ended Friday; then Black won all the games). But, the results of Round 6 of the Women’s Chess Grand Prix in Jermuk, Russia, were still startling. White won every game. It was the second time in the first six rounds of the chess tournament that every game had ended decisively. Over all, only 8 of the 36 games in the tournament have ended in draws, an astonishingly low percentage. After six rounds, Nana Dzagnidze of the Republic of Georgia leads with 5.5 points, a point ahead of Lilit Mkrtchian of Armenia. Tatiana Kosintseva of Russia is ... Posted by ccmcacollister | www6conf.org 1/28/2007 04:24:16 Play online chess djole73 ... And EveryoneMessage: Of course, I think that even this could ultimately be determined ... if one wanted to invest the resources that is. Which is not to say it could ever be a cost effective pursuit, as far as I can see. But having been involved in investigative pursuits, I have to believe that most people tend to believe their personal actions and information are considerably more private than tends to be born out by reality. Imo. There is always someone who knows what's happening... *** Personally tho, I like to feel the "Honor System" still holds some merit, as ganstaman suggests too. Or if not, at least it is comforting to pretend ...perhaps even to believe there are still Some "Good-Guys" left in the world. Perhaps this is quite naive, yet I like to help stretch the illusion as far as it will go, if such it is, by trying to be one of them while playing Chess. And there Do seem to be quite a number of others in a similar pursuit right here at GK. From what I've seen here . . . * * * * * Tho I must express concern to see persons now cheating in IM+ level otb competition(s), as to whether Chess can continue to be seen as a unifying force which can unite persons across geopolitical & philosophical lines. Yet since it managed to retain its image in spite of the turmoil in most WC matches since (including) 1972 ... perhaps it will make it past computers, and their potential for corruption too !? I do hope so. * * * * I have this theory at least. Perhaps when times come to such a state, that there are too many wrongdoers to catch, too many to punish or rehabilitate ... then maybe the only thing left is for those who seek more to refuse to accept the wrongdoing. And to further the good things, until more & more people begin to focus upon the good things, and we begin to believe again in Good Guys, and Heros, and honorable persons ... because we've all come to know some. Until that point where there are so many in the legions of Right-doers, that it becomes harder for anyone to envision why someone would want to be anything less ?! * * * While This must seem an exceedingly innocent notion, it is something I've seen happen. Perhaps its just that everyone gets tired of wrongdoing, duplicity, purveyors of transparent cunning ... all at the same time. Perhaps they want to reach for something better. Or maybe the stars align right ... ** Still, I have to think it would be worth the wait & wondering, to see again. On the otherhand, its been something of a wait already ... How about we just start, and Do it right now ? |