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| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 2/11/2007 03:47:45 play online chess |  Subject: Dutch sidelineMessage: I found it's difficult to play against 2. c3 in the Dutch defence (1. d4 f5). White could follow with e3, Bd3, Nd2, Ne2 and then start a break with e4... Could somebody suggest some plans for Black? In quick games, I tried few schemas for development, but they were not very effective... Some thoughts? |
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 2/15/2007 23:41:34 play online chess | g4 line Message: |
| Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org 2/16/2007 00:05:10 play online chess | Message: Another idea would be ...d6 and ...e5 so that when white plays e4, black can throw in ...f4! Of course though, I haven't really checked these out (and besides, ever since I decided to switch back to the Dutch, no one's played 1. d4 against me -- it's as if they know I made that decision and are scared of the Dutch!). Have you tried either of these, and if so, how did they end up failing? -------------- As for the g4 gambit for white (on move 2 or even later). I've never respected it at all. I refuse to lose against it (well, it's hard enough to get someone to play 1.d4, imagine what I'd have to do to get them to play 2. g4). I think black can develop mostly normally and probably castle either side. Playing ...d5 may end up important to hold white back and free some room for black. Also, if white the offers his h-pawn (1. d4 f5 2. g4 fxg4 3. h3), don't take it. White may actually have compensation then. 3...g3 works just fine. |
| Posted by arichallan www6conf.org 2/16/2007 10:51:48 play online chess | Depending on the dutch setup you like Message: I don't know much about the 2. g4 idea, but I've seen lines where white delays it and plays h3 and g4, especially with an e3-d4 setup. It's a sharp try to take advantage of black's f5, so the better tactical player, or better prepared player should win. |
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 2/26/2007 07:34:13 play online chess | No one plays d4? Message: No one plays d4? It's strange... It seems in any environment at least 30-40% plays something different than 1. e4 - and almost at any of these moves it's possible to transpose to Dutch... |
| Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org 2/26/2007 17:45:12 play online chess | Re: No one plays d4 Message: Also, you may want to check out -> www.videochess.net It's a GM who plays the Bird and Dutch (though he calls the overall system the Polar Bear System). If you look at his Polar Bear Videos, the 6th lesson is semi-relevant. It's a Kmoch-Alekhine game (-> www.chessgames.com ) that involves the Dutch Stonewall. The GM Henrik Danielsen mentions (when the video says about 4 minutes, though it counts time downwards and not up) that since white has not played c2-c4, black can play c7-c5 and get an active Stonewall gaining space. Perhaps then a Stonewall with c7-c5 is the way to defeat 1. d4 f5 2. c3? |
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 2/26/2007 22:55:52 play online chess | Tnx, ganstaman Message: --- And the idea of c7-c5 is interesting... The c7-c5 is sometimes good move in some settings of Dutch. |
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 3/16/2007 05:51:46 play online chess | More... Message: It seems, Dutch offers a rich bunch of possibilities.... |
| Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org 3/16/2007 12:57:22 play online chess | The 1.d4 f5 2.c3 set-up... Message: But does White intend a Stonewall? Maybe he would prefer to set up something like 1.d4 f4 2.c3 e6 3.Nf3 d4 4.g3 c5 (or c6) 5.Bg2 ...6.0-0 ... 7.Nbd2 ... 8.Ne1 ... 9.Ndf3 ... 10.Nd3 ... If he can achieve this set-up without incurring trouble, he would have a pretty decent sort of game, it seems to me. Cheers, Ion |
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org 4/24/2007 00:54:34 play online chess | Yep Message: |
| Posted by schnarre www6conf.org 4/25/2007 17:23:12 play online chess | Hmnnnnnnnnnn Message: Vs. 2. g4, I've seen in OTB that 2...fxg4, 3. e4 d6, 4. Nc3 was the normal continuation. |
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