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| From | Message | Posted by loreta www6conf.org
2/11/2007 03:47:45 Play online chess | Subject: Dutch sideline
Message: Eventually,
I found it's difficult to play against 2. c3 in the Dutch defence (1. d4 f5).
White could follow with e3, Bd3, Nd2, Ne2 and then start a break with e4...
Could somebody suggest some plans for Black? In quick games, I tried few schemas for development, but they were not very effective... Some thoughts?
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org
2/15/2007 23:41:34 Play online chess | g4 line
Message: Another possibility to disturb Black is 2. g4 (1. d4 f5)... Opinions?
| Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org
2/16/2007 00:05:10 Play online chess |
Message: Against 2. c3, what do you think of the stonewall? That adds more support to e4 for black, and without a pawn on c4 black just has to play d5, right?
Another idea would be ...d6 and ...e5 so that when white plays e4, black can throw in ...f4!
Of course though, I haven't really checked these out (and besides, ever since I decided to switch back to the Dutch, no one's played 1. d4 against me -- it's as if they know I made that decision and are scared of the Dutch!). Have you tried either of these, and if so, how did they end up failing?
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As for the g4 gambit for white (on move 2 or even later). I've never respected it at all. I refuse to lose against it (well, it's hard enough to get someone to play 1.d4, imagine what I'd have to do to get them to play 2. g4). I think black can develop mostly normally and probably castle either side. Playing ...d5 may end up important to hold white back and free some room for black.
Also, if white the offers his h-pawn (1. d4 f5 2. g4 fxg4 3. h3), don't take it. White may actually have compensation then. 3...g3 works just fine. ——— Chess Championship Match Remains Tied After Game 3 Is Drawn — After two decisive games, Game 3 of the World Chess Championship match in Sofia, Bulgaria, ended peacefully Tuesday with a draw. The match score in the best-of-12 match is now 1.5-1.5. Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria, the challenger, had White, as in Game 1, and again opened with 1 d4. Viswanathan Anand of India, the chess champion, who had blundered badly in Game 1 after he used the Grunfeld Defense, switched openings in Game 3, opting for the solid Slav Defense. Topalov tried to steer the game toward complicated and unclear positions, which he likes, by offering a pawn sacrifice at a couple of junctures. But Anand avoided any risks, declining Topalov’s offers and ...
Posted by arichallan www6conf.org
2/16/2007 10:51:48 Play online chess | Depending on the dutch setup you like
Message: You could try d6 and e5, d5 and e6, or a king's indian/Leningrad style setup with d6, e5 and g6, fianchettoing the king's bishop on g7. Also, you should decide where you want to put your knights - f6/c6, f6/d7. Putting the knight on d7 in the Leningrad set-up enables you to play c6 at some point, if you think that's important in the specific game. White's setup is fairly passive and shouldn't give anything more than equality.
I don't know much about the 2. g4 idea, but I've seen lines where white delays it and plays h3 and g4, especially with an e3-d4 setup. It's a sharp try to take advantage of black's f5, so the better tactical player, or better prepared player should win. ——— Fide world chess championship: Topalov takes on Anand — The Bulgarian challenger finished the first game in brutal style. After two games, the score in the Anand-Topalov world championship match is even. Bulgarian Topalov won the first, but Anand struck back in the second. As is often the case, the moves off the board play a role too. Anand's flight to Sofia was cancelled due to the ash cloud, so he was forced to make a 40-hour car journey from Frankfurt. He asked for the first game to be postponed by three days, but the organising committee – which includes Topalov's manager and Bulgaria's PM – rejected the request. The match only started after the International Chess Federation insisted on a compromise of one ...
Posted by loreta www6conf.org
2/26/2007 07:34:13 Play online chess | No one plays d4?
Message: To ganstaman,
No one plays d4? It's strange... It seems in any environment at least 30-40% plays something different than 1. e4 - and almost at any of these moves it's possible to transpose to Dutch...
——— Anand Wins Game 2 to Square Title Match — Viswanathan Anand of India, the reigning world chess champion, beat Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria in Game 2 of their world chess championship match to even the score at 1 point each. Anand had lost the first game after a terrible blunder, but he bounced back with a fine performance on Sunday. The match is a best-of-12 with a prize fund of two million euros (about $2.7 million). Although not a blistering win by Anand, it was efficient and workmanlike. He actually was worse out of the opening but slowly and surely outplayed Topalov, who finally made a couple of errors that allowed Anand to force a winning endgame. The ball is now in Topalov’s court and it will be interesting ...
Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org
2/26/2007 17:45:12 Play online chess | Re: No one plays d4
Message: Well, since I decided that I wanted to play the Dutch again, I may have only started a few games here as black. Most of the games I've played since then have been blitz here, and it seems to me that I just haven't played the right players since they've all played 1. e4.
Also, you may want to check out -> www.videochess.net
It's a GM who plays the Bird and Dutch (though he calls the overall system the Polar Bear System). If you look at his Polar Bear Videos, the 6th lesson is semi-relevant. It's a Kmoch-Alekhine game (-> www.chessgames.com ) that involves the Dutch Stonewall. The GM Henrik Danielsen mentions (when the video says about 4 minutes, though it counts time downwards and not up) that since white has not played c2-c4, black can play c7-c5 and get an active Stonewall gaining space.
Perhaps then a Stonewall with c7-c5 is the way to defeat 1. d4 f5 2. c3? ——— Topalov Wins First Game of World Chess Championship Match — Veselin Toplaov of Bulgaria got off to a great start in the world chess championship match as he won Game 1 after Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, blundered. The game was barely out of the opening stages when Anand erred in a dynamically balanced position. Facing checkmate, he resigned after only 30 moves. It was a startlingly quick and unexpected beginning to a match that many experts have said is too close to call. Anand, who has been world chess champion since 2007, is ranked No. 4 in the world, but has been ranked No. 1. His ranking has slipped recently as he prepared to defend his title. Topalov is ranked No. 2 and was ...
Posted by loreta www6conf.org
2/26/2007 22:55:52 Play online chess | Tnx, ganstaman
Message: I'll check that site - it'd be interesting...
--- And the idea of c7-c5 is interesting... The c7-c5 is sometimes good move in some settings of Dutch. ——— Volcanic ash checks Vishy Anand's preparations for world chess championship — Volcanic ash made the first move at the world championship match in Sofia, where Veselin Topalov has the white pieces in game one, starting at 1pm UK time today. All games are live on the internet. Topalov and the titleholder, Vishy Anand, play best-of-12 for a massive Bulgarian government prize fund of €1.2m for the winner, €800,000 for the loser. Anand was trapped by travel chaos at Frankfurt last Saturday and had to take a 40-hour car journey, extended due to visa problems, to the Sofia Hilton. After the tired Indian appealed for a three-day postponement, which the Bulgarian organisers brusquely rejected, the World Chess Federation (Fide) ruled a compromise ...
Posted by loreta www6conf.org
3/16/2007 05:51:46 Play online chess | More...
Message: Interesting and quite different lines after 2. Nc3 and 2. Qd3...
It seems, Dutch offers a rich bunch of possibilities....
| Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org
3/16/2007 12:57:22 Play online chess | The 1.d4 f5 2.c3 set-up...
Message: ... looks for all the world as though White might be thinking of setting up a Stonewall: with 3.e3 and 4.f4. The ganstaman's idea reminds me of Max Euwe's anti-Stonewall set up. The thing might go 1.d4 f5 2.c3 e6 3.e3 d4 4.f4 c5 ...
But does White intend a Stonewall? Maybe he would prefer to set up something like 1.d4 f4 2.c3 e6 3.Nf3 d4 4.g3 c5 (or c6) 5.Bg2 ...6.0-0 ... 7.Nbd2 ... 8.Ne1 ... 9.Ndf3 ... 10.Nd3 ... If he can achieve this set-up without incurring trouble, he would have a pretty decent sort of game, it seems to me.
Cheers,
Ion
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org
4/24/2007 00:54:34 Play online chess | Yep
Message: Interesting ideas, Ion....
| Posted by schnarre www6conf.org
4/25/2007 17:23:12 Play online chess | Hmnnnnnnnnnn
Message: Vs 2. c3 I would probbly say, just go with 2...Nf6--a sound & thematic developing move--& see how White proceeds from there.
Vs. 2. g4, I've seen in OTB that 2...fxg4, 3. e4 d6, 4. Nc3 was the normal continuation.
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