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Posted by raskerino www6conf.org 2/26/2007 16:20:08 play online chess	Subject: Thinking about 1.d4 Message: I'm a lifelong (well the 4-5 years I've played) 1.e4 player but I'd like to toss in some 1.d4 (usually 2.c4) lines in to my repertiore too. I don't want to spend a ton of time analyzing lines unless they're completely fascinating (I plan to toss out the botvinnik against the semi-slav) so I'd love to get recommendations for some relatively simple but aggressive lines against various black defenses to 1.d4. It would be wonderful if people could recommend a line and maybe give links to a few games in the line (or a recommended book or player to study in the variation). As a grunfeld player, I have a good sense of it and don't need advice against it- and I'm pretty committed to the botvinnik- but besides that I'm open to any recommendation, be it an exchange line, a wild pawn push or a catalan. Thanks
Posted by spurtus www6conf.org 2/27/2007 01:12:29 play online chess	Message: ...for ultimate d4 aggression try the Blackmar Diemer Gambit, which is quite transposable into via 1...d5 and 1...Nf6 but for the later black response you could also try the Trompovsky 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 as a surprise weapon. Both openings are said to have questionable soundness but should be good up to 2000 elo. Spurtus
Posted by ccmcacollister www6conf.org 2/27/2007 07:33:32 play online chess	re Trompovsky ... Message: If someone wants to study it, GM's Julian Hodgson and Gata Kamsky have used it extensively.... and Gata's made the WC cycle before. It can get nicely tactical too. In that other famous game (chuckle...) S. Wrinn-Collister 8th USCCC both sides sac their Queen :)
Posted by jamesdriggs www6conf.org 2/27/2007 08:46:10 play online chess	colle Message: good opening. easy to learn. hard to beat. can be played against everything black has to offer. go to chessgames.com to see opening.
Posted by raskerino www6conf.org 2/27/2007 13:30:04 play online chess	Message: I've played against the trompowsky a lot, and while I could imagine aggresiveness in it I've only seen passive tries with it. I guess I'm not a fan of the colle either-I've tried it in blitz, but tend to be passive after something like: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.c3 Nc6 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 e5. I've also tried it against a friend who plays the benoni and I haven't managed to get much against something like this either: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.e3 b6 4.Bd3 e6 5.c3 Ba6 as without the light squared bishop it's not as enjoyable to play. As I said I'd like to try something with 2.c4 against 1... d5 so that I can try the botvinnik. What would be recommendations against things like: the KID, nimzo-indian, queen's indian, 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 stuff, and various 1.d4 d5 stuff like 2... e6 and c5 or a QGA or 2... e6 with Nf6, Be7, Nbd7 and b6. If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them. I'd be tempted by the blackmar diemer (and maybe a little by the colle) but I want to have the botvinnik as a piece of the repertiore. thanks for all responses.
Posted by far1ey www6conf.org 2/27/2007 21:09:58 play online chess	Message: hmmmm The blackmar diemer looks dubious to me but you can make your own mind up on that one. I would suggest 1.d4 2.c4 against any of blacks moves. by doing this you limit the amount of theory you have to learn (you said in your first post you didnt want to learn too much theory).
Posted by kewms www6conf.org 2/28/2007 06:17:07 play online chess	Message: I'd love to play against any White player whose knowledge of Queen pawn openings was limited to 1.d4 2.c4. I like the Classical KID with either color. There's a pretty good amount of theory, but you don't necessarily need to know it below the Master level. Be warned, though, that Black can get a pretty powerful attack against an unwary White player. There are lots of transpositions in the various QGD/Slav lines. Unless you want to play something really sharp (like the Botvinnik), you can probably get away with just developing your pieces to decent squares and seeing what opportunities appear. These aren't really lines where Black is likely to roll over you by move 10 or something. In general, the 1.d4 lines are less tactical than the 1.e4 lines. That doesn't mean they are passive by any means, but the position does tend to evolve a little more slowly than you may be used to. Good luck! Katherine
Posted by jamesdriggs www6conf.org 2/28/2007 11:23:56 play online chess	d4 opening Message: In your post you requested a simple easy to learn d4 system. Here is the opening statement from Jeremy Silman. -> www.jeremysilman.com Reviewed by Jeremy Silman In amateur play, I don't think there is a more popular and useful opening (from White's perspective) than the Colle System. It's quick and easy to learn, safe, and contains quite a bit of sting.
Posted by schnarre www6conf.org 3/05/2007 18:18:00 play online chess	d4 Message: I'd recommend the Torre Attack (1. d4, 2. Nf3, 3. Bg5). Solid, flexible, & has plenty of bite to it! (it's also quite forgiving if you make a mistake or two)
Posted by tim_b www6conf.org 3/06/2007 05:21:19 play online chess	Seconded! Message: I've been playing the Torre Attack for only about a year now and have had a few successes with it. As well as the advantages schnarre mentions, you can create a maginot line of pawns using c3 and e3, which are also handy for access for light bishop and Queen.
Posted by premium_steve www6conf.org 3/06/2007 08:10:15 play online chess	Message: i think i'll always stay away from 1.d4 because 1...d5 is usually just way too boring to play against. it's no fun.
Posted by ganstaman www6conf.org 3/06/2007 10:27:15 play online chess	Message: I generally find that the mainline of every opening is actually rather good (surprising, isn't it?...). Not all that long ago I started playing 1.d4 (in blitz at least), and I found that standard, straight-forward development was almost always possible and led to a good game. As for 1. d4 d5, if you want exciting but questionable soundness, the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit is always an option. Otherwise, I've been going with the Queen's Gambit. It's not too hard to play that as a real gambit (develop and grab space instead of recapturing) --though I will take the pawn when it feels right -- and that has never led me to a dull game.
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