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| From | Message | Posted by tomwhufc www6conf.org
3/24/2007 06:29:53 Play online chess | Subject: Annotated games
Message: Hi everybody. I'm wondering how to improve my annotating skills. I have annotated a few games and would like to know what you think of them and where you think I could improve them
| Posted by loreta www6conf.org
3/24/2007 23:24:04 Play online chess | An example
Message: johnnyawesome annotated our last game. Could look into it as example (additional commentaries welcome):
-> gameknot.com (gameknot.com/annotation.pl?gm=6412)
| Posted by far1ey www6conf.org
3/25/2007 00:28:55 Play online chess |
Message: This has been discused:
-> gameknot.com
basically make it interesting, easy to understand, accurate and dont give too much raw analysis. You can also make it humourous as tag has done in some of his annotations.
Far1ey ——— At 79, ‘Viktor the Terrible’ Outsmarts an 18-Year-Old — The game’s mental and physical toll eventually forces most top chess players to stop competing. And those who continue to play tend to avoid the elite chess tournaments where the pressure is greatest. Then there is Viktor Korchnoi. He was a top chess player for more than 30 years and competed for the world title three times. The last of those battles was in 1981, when he was 50. Four years ago, when he was 75, he was still ranked No. 85 in the world. Korchnoi will be 80 in March, and his ranking has slipped to No. 460. But he can still be a formidable opponent, and he has lost little of his zest for competition. (He earned the nickname Viktor the Terrible partly because of ...
Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org
3/26/2007 02:49:48 Play online chess | Far1ey does raise...
Message: ... an interesting issue, concerning (raw) analysis. Now and then the occasion demands detailed analysis - or at least some concrete lines. Sometimes this helps explain why certain plausible moves were not made, but where you really have to get into detailed analysis is in very complicated situations.
Recently I was asked to comment on an annotated GK game vegiemite vs tag1153. This was a great game to play through, aggressive play by both sides, mutual attacks against kings castled on opposite sides, a fighting game in which, at times, the issue hung by a single tempo. If the game wasn't always accurate, that was part of the fun, and I liked the annotator's showing his state of mind during the game.
But from certain objective points of view it was also interesting to see how either side might have made different decisions and what might have been the consequences.
For instance, at one point Black chose to make a defensive move to protect his King, suspending his own offensive operations on the Q-wing, but subsequently coming under a tremendous attack. Now, at first sight, the K-side defensive move looked essential, but it was reasonable to ask oneself, well, was it actually forced? Suppose one tried to push through one's own Q-side operations and to ignore White's threats? What would be the outcome? It turns out that you got further wild but obscure complications - the sort of combative combinative game that is (I reckon) the most compelling feature of chess.
OK: you have seen the commercial. Go and see the annotated game. See what you think.
Cheers,
Ion ——— Nakamura Wins Again and Seizes Lead of Tata Steel Chess Tournament — In an exceptional performance that combined spirited attack and defense, Hikaru Nakamura beat Ian Nepomniachtchi of Russia on Friday in Round 11 of the Tata Steel chess tournament in the Netherlands. Nakamura’s co-leader after Round 10 (and 8 and 6 and 4), Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, only drew against Maxime Vachier-Lagrave of France. That allowed Nakamura to once again take control of the elite section, with two rounds to play. Nakamura’s victory was his sixth of the tournament. He now has 8 points, followed by Anand, with 7.5, Levon Aronian of Armenia, who also drew Friday, who has 7, and Vladimir Kramnik of Russia and Magnus Carlsen of ...
Posted by tag1153 www6conf.org
3/26/2007 10:32:45 Play online chess | thx ion
Message: I did ask ion to review my game vs. vegiemite, and requested that he share his point of view - especially during critical junctures. That, I think, is the best way for the GameKnot community to utilize the 'Comments' feature recently added to the "Annotated Games' function. With his assistance, I was able to realize, or "see" some continuations which would have been stronger for me (and my opponent as well) to play. I encourage others to do the same. There are a lot of stronger players out there more than willing to help. Thanks again ion:)
tag1153 ——— Betting on Chess — London oddsmakers allow wagering on everything else, so it is probably not surprising that they also take bets on chess. In the Tata Steel chess tournament currently be played in the Netherlands, one bookmaker called BestBetting seems to have Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, who is currently tied for the lead, as the favorite (9 to 10, meaning if someone bets $10 and Anand wins, the bettor only wins $9). Levon Aronian of Armenia, who is tied for third, a half-point behind Anand and Hikaru Nakamura of the United States, is the next betting favorite (13 to 10; wager $10 and if he is first, win $13), while Nakamura has the next longest odds (5 to 2). That Nakamura is ...
Posted by far1ey www6conf.org
3/27/2007 01:45:50 Play online chess |
Message: I added a few other comments but I mainly agreed with ions comments. A very interesting game played...
ion, detail in complicated positions perhaps in COMPLICATED POSITIONS ONLY but I prefer annotations with strategy behind them:
1) Where white attacks?
2) Where black attacks?
3) Who is better?
4) Is the white bishop better than the black knight?
Tag's annotation Tag vs vegemite where he states:
"Let's take a moment to analyze the whole board - the battle lines have finally been drawn 100%. White is going to attack on the kingside, black on the queenside. Space is roughly equal. Pawn structure favors white. Piece placement favors black. White is behind in development, but black has some serious worries regarding the safety of his king. This is going to very painful for SOMEBODY!"
Is a perfect example of a good annotation. Strategy, easy to understand, accurate and even humerous with "This is going to very painful for SOMEBODY!"
Tag could have written this:
"Now after Qh3 b4 ... Bd3,... ,.... And then b4... leads to f5.... and according to my computer h4 followed with ...."
These annotations completely confuse me. (... means more analysis).
I hope I make my point, analysis when analysis is needed strategy when strategy is needed. And humour when it is needed which is all the time. :D
Regards,
Far1ey ——— Nakamura and Anand Again Separate Themselves From the Pack at Tata Steel — After a great day of fighting chess in Round 10 of the Tata Steel chess tournament in the Netherlands, Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, and Hikaru Nakamura of the United States are once again tied for the lead in the top section. Anand and Nakamura were also co-leaders after the fourth, sixth and eighth rounds. Four chess players were tied for the lead after Round 9. But on Wednesday Nakamura beat Maxime Vachier-Lagrave of France and Anand beat Alexei Shirov of Spain, while Levon Aronian of Armenia and Vladimir Kramnik of Russia respectively drew with Anish Giri and Jan Smeets, two Dutch grandmasters. Anand and Nakamura each have 7 points and ...
Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org
3/27/2007 04:06:44 Play online chess | Fair comment, far1ey...
Message: ... and I would never belittle this "big picture" approach. Sometimes one does need to stand back and take stock. It can be true, too, of very intricate, complicated positions to establish what both sides were trying to achieve. Bobby Fischer, I think it was, used to identify "Big Think" moments in a given game, moments that required a great deal of thought. No doubt we all have had such moments. That is often one occasion in which a look at the "big picture" is indicated.
This gives detailed analysis a context. What led you to consider this move and not that? Recall that moment in which tag1153 had to decide whether to defend (with ...g6 or ...h6) or pursue his own attack "a outrance". It doesn't matter whether he actually considered carrying on his own attack or not (he didn't mention it, but that might as well mean he did look and saw nothing that offered any chances). Only 3 moves (so far as I have seen) came into consideration. The battleline context gives a broad indication of the kind of moves to look for (furthering one's attack on the Q-wing or helping defend against the enemy attack), and the tactical situation narrowed the choice still further: any move considered had to have an immediate effect. ...h6 blocked (briefly) the action of the White Queen; ...g6 blocked (for the moment) the action of the White Bishop; ...b4 opened up lines against the White King, at the cost of allowing White to demolish Black's K-wing. The tactical justification for the last was that after a couple of checks White had no immediately forcing line, which gave Black time to try a resumption of his own interrupted assault. At that point one has to assess whether Black has enough resources (material, space and time) to maintain his own attack, or to bring reserves across to rescue his own king. None of these continuations indicated a secure future for Black. The blocking actions were transitory at best, and any attacking chances fleeting (once the opportunity was missed it had gone for good ... well, sort of).
I guess in the end it is like presenting an argument and producing evidence in support of it. The general remarks and assessment of the overall picture represent the argument; the analysis is the evidence. Neither makes much sense without the other.
——— Chess Robots By The Sea — Are chess players becoming robots by repeating moves approved at home by their computers? Can't they just use their own heads during the game? Of course they do, but at the same time even the world's top chess players have to use computers to win chess games. Not during the games - that's forbidden - but in their preparations. And they don't even have to be there. The computers can find a winning solution while the players eat at a nearby restaurant. They come home, apply the knowledge to the game, perform the moves like robot and claim victory. The times are gone when the legendary grandmaster David Bronstein would think 40 minutes before he made the first move. Now the chess ...
Posted by ionadowman www6conf.org
3/27/2007 13:09:48 Play online chess | You know...
Message: ... It has just occurred to me that the second paragraph in my last posting would have been a useful preamble to the more detailed analysis at that point in the "comments" panel, and quite in keeping with far1ey's remarks. Mind you, it would have been a very long "comment".
;-)
Ion
| Posted by himu www6conf.org
3/27/2007 22:03:26 Play online chess |
Message: -> gameknot.com
this annotation ( by me ) is not watched by many. when I posted this for some reason it appeared in the end of page even below the past dated annotations. what do you think about this annotation ?
himu
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