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Posted by nathanman22
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1/23/2008
07:19:51

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Subject: Experiences with the 4 Queen Game

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gameknot.com

I lost this amazing match--and hats off to my opponent who played it well. The main purpose of this thread is to discuss the strategy and tactics behind games involving 4 queens. I know that this doesn't happen very often. In this game, my opponent had the distinct advantage in the fact that he made his 2nd queen first and had the checking momentum which he was able to use to pin me against one of his pawns and put me in checkmate. Anyone else want to share stories and games that involve 4 queens as well as how these games should be played, feel free to post here.

-Nathanman22


Posted by ionadowman
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1/23/2008
14:01:31

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Not a common sight...

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... Interesting Q+P endgame, but I suspect had Black realised soon enough that the 4Q ending was going to lose so quickly for him (he needed to evaluate this at the beginning of the pawn footrace), he might have tried another line!

Here's an amazing "might-have-been" from Kotov-Matanovic, 1952.
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Kotov played 1.Rf8! and won quickly after 1...Ra7?
But had Black played the better 1...Rbg7 this would have happened:
2.Rd1 a2 3.e7 (the pawn is taboo) 3...a1=Q 4.e8=Q Qaa2
5.Rd8 Qab3 6.a8 Qba2 -
White is winning here, and can win in two ways. The first is carnage:
[1] 7.Rxg8+ Qxg8 8.Qxg8+ Rxg8 9.Rxg8+ Qxg8 10.Qxg8+ Kxg8
11.f4 with a winning pawn ending; or (better)
[2] 7.Rxg8+ Qxg8 8.Qxa2 or 7...Rxg8 8.Qe5#

When multiple queens appear, it is usually a quick end for someone!

Cheers,
Ion


Posted by heinzkat
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1/23/2008
14:17:12

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Capablanca - Alekhine, 1927

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Another example of a game that ended quickly after the two pawns both promoted. See puzzle #1939.



Black to move after last moves 64. a7 d1=Q 65. a8=Q...
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Posted by ionadowman
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1/23/2008
20:42:48

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I won't quote the moves...

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... just suggest that Black mates in 3 (no, I didn't look it up!).
Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by far1ey
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1/23/2008
21:17:52

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I believe there is a good fischer game - from his book 60 memorable games. I'm not quite sure but I think I saw it the other day I was surfing around www.chessgames.com ...

Just my 2 cents...
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Posted by chessnovice
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1/23/2008
21:32:50

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Mate in 5...

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...if you do it wrong. ;)
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Posted by bonsai
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1/28/2008
11:46:59

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I had the following in a game

when 40.Qg3 a1Q 41.Qxg5+ Kf8 42.Qg7+ Ke8 43.Qg8+ Kd7 44.Qxf7+ Kc8 45.Qe8+ Kc7 46.f7 Qc5 47.f8Q

lead to a quick draw with 47...Qcg1+ 48.Kh3 Qh1+ ½-½

I guess the problem with a lot of these positions is that in the endgame kings are usually quite open and thus the result is often either a quick perpetual or a mate. In my example my king was at least sufficiently shelterd on h2 so that I had the time to get some threats of my own (and hence my opponent had to force the draw).
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Posted by ionadowman
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1/28/2008
13:16:28

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Probably the most common occurence...

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... is that a pair of queens gets exchanged off almost at once. In the bonsai game, White was threatening mate on the move (48.Qd8#) but also to exchange a pair of queens off quickly, leading to a decisive endgame advantage.
Could White's king have escaped the checks by advancing (e.g. 49.Kg4 Qd1+ etc)? Probably wise to let it go...


Posted by ccmcacollister
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1/30/2008
02:10:03

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far1ey ...

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Good find! I was looking for a Fischer game myself for this and could not remember the opponent. But your link is just givng me the search page, without going to the game.
Can you tell us the player names.
(that site sometimes does that, I dont know why. It may be after a certain time elapses but cannot swear to it.)


Posted by far1ey
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1/30/2008
03:42:56

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Sorry - I didnt give the game link above but this is the proper link:
www.chessgames.com

Fischer - Petrosian and although it ended in a draw - it seems one of the weirdest/most complicated games I've seen.

Maybe I should consider purchasing Fischer's 60 memorable games....